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It says "Minogue was in a relationship with executive Jonathan Sasse up until 2017,". This should read "actor Joshua Sasse" instead, according to the cited reference (and Joshua Sasse's wikipedia page and the references therein). Relative eric (talk) 17:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rhythm of Love and Let's Get To It, her last two albums under PWL, are not "bubblegum" nor are they necessarily "dance pop *influenced." They are just mature adult dance pop when Kylie was becoming a more serious artist. It is much more accurate to say they are "4 pop albums released under PWL" and then marking her shift to trip hop and house with KM94 and later on, Impossible Princess. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 14:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia articles cannot be used as a reference in Wikipedia articles. Again, I asked your for a reference, meaning a reliable reference from third-party sources, and not a Wikipedia article which anyone can edit. Hotwiki (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also stating Rhythm of Love/Lets Get to It aren't not dance-pop influenced, yet you labeled them as more mature adult dance pop. So, its still dance pop either way? Hotwiki (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, link the reference here if thats so important. Based from your argument "dance pop influence" is still dance pop when you described those two albums as more more mature adult dance pop". Hotwiki (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PHShanghai:, whats up with these numerous lead changes again?[1] You are clearly aware that when you make several changes into the lead section, several issues always come up. Having been discussed this in ANI, last year - I would have thought you knew better to at least discuss changes first in the talk page, to not repeat the cycle again. Adding a Billboard Women in Music Award is not in the top priority of things, when Minogue have received dozens of awards in different organizations. Its not as prestigious as the Grammys and Brits. Why are you including Padam Padam (2023) in the list of hits post-Fever era/pre-BMG era, when that clearly occured years after she signed to Bmg in 2017. Hotwiki (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And highlighting the fact the single "Come Into the World" won a Grammy Award isn't needed, since it was already mentioned in the lead that Minogue won 2 Grammy Awards. Hotwiki (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For comparison, to other awards organizations already mentioned in the lead - the lead section isn't highlighting which single or album gave Minogue her first Aria Award (Locomotion in 1988) and Brit Award (Fever in 2002), for her 1st Grammy to be highlighted. Hotwiki (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kylie is the first Australian artist in the 21st century to win a Grammy. According to the Come Into My World article, no Australian artists had won there since 1982. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is already mentioned that she won two Grammy awards. You are moving the goalpost by bringing up she's the first Australian artist to won a Grammy since 1982, when that wasn't even mentioned in your edit.[2] That doesn't make sense. Hotwiki (talk) 22:12, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also already explained last year (April 2024) why it doesn't need to be mentioned.[3] and you are back at it again, several months later, in March 2025. After two separate discussions in Ani, I would have thought, you would stop going back to resurrecting contents that I didn't agree with in the past, especially you know for a fact it caused issues which led us to ANI twice. Hotwiki (talk) 22:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both ANI discussions specifically came with warnings from other editors to lighten on your status quo stonewalling, which you have been doing for two years now, since 2023. Other editors in the community have told you to "give way" for other editors to edit this article. You have been consistently uncompromising when editing this article. I wish we would collaborate more. Thank you. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't being stonewalled, when you have changed the picture in the infobox and you didn't see me removing the picture you just posted few days ago. Though it doesn't mean I cannot revert your "drastic" edits when I don't agree with your changes. This is simply a case of Wikipedia:BRD. After two reports from ANI, you have not changed your habits by making numerous changes to the lead changes to the lead section which just causes issues to your fellow editors and we are back in the cycle again. I have already discussed about the thing with Grammy Awards back in April of 2024[4] and you are back at it again months later. How is this helping? Hotwiki (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't compromising when you went back at resurrecting content, I clearly didn't agree in the past. Like I said, we are back in this cycle again. Someone already told you in ANI, you shouldn't be doing this. Hotwiki (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is disingenuous to say that I am resurrecting the same content that you revert before- please feel free to look at my last edit to the lead before your edit war and to look at this current edit to my lead. Can you see that they are completely different and completely separate things were edited? I had not added "Come Into My World" to her lead until this edit, when she performed it at the Tension Tour. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The point is mentioning Come Into My World winning a Grammy, was already contested before and discussed in the talk page. After two discussions in Ani, you should know better not to bring back content into the article, that clearly caused issues in the past. Its like you didn't learn anything in the past from Two Ani incident reports, and just continued the cycle yet again in 2025. Hotwiki (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please feel free to point where Come Into My World winning a Grammy was contested and discussed in the talk page. Because that was for Padam Padam. You mentioned yourself that Come Into My World won a Grammy and that part wasn't mentioned in my edit at the time. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 22:55, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was already linked twice[6] Like I said in that time, we aren't enumerating the awards that gave her a Brit and an Aria Award, for you to highlight her Grammy wins. Hotwiki (talk) 22:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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